Wednesday, 9 September 2009

Unmasking Harun Yahya

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A few weeks ago I was giving a talk on secularism to some senior Malaysian civil servants. One of them told me that there was no clash between Islam and science, since the Koran had already talked about the Big Bang, and anyway didn't I know that evolution was just a myth. The next day he forwarded me some links to the 'proof' - they took me to the website of Harun Yahya, named apparently without irony "An Invitation to Truth".

Now you and I know that this guy, who claims to have refuted Darwin and got Dawkins banned in Turkey, is a crank but he seems to be becoming ever more prominent as justification for those who want to deny science. We have been investigating him for the past few months, to find out who he really is and how he manages to fund his pseudoscience. It's a great story involving sex cults, God-complexes and Versace suits. All is revealed in the new issue: Read Sex, flies and videotape.

71 comments:

Harris said...

Well written piece, you have done a wonderful job, great piece of investigative journalism. Harun's days are numbered, more and more people are slowly waking up and realizing that this shmuck is nothing but a phony.

Most Popular said...

This caricature reflects no truth but prooves that Harun Yahya has won a great victory against darwinists, evolutionists. Because evolutionists can no longer answer Harun Yahya with science and scientific data.The "Atlas of Creation" had a great impact in all over the world. The giant work that has inspired reactions from all over the world has had, in the words of the foreign press, "the effect of an ideological earthquake" in all the countries it has reached. The Atlas has reached almost all the proffessors, important people, leaders etc. in the world. There are hundreds of fossil photographs in the Atlas. The fossils prove the fact of creation. These fossils are just a few examples of the hundreds of millions of specimens that prove the fact of creation. Just one living fossil is enough fort he collapse of evolutionary theory. The evolutionists are not capable of bringing a intermediate form fossil. Every fossil evolutionists claimed as a "missing link" turned out to be a hoax or else was removed from the literature because it had been distortedly interpreted.They can not explain how a single protein molecule emerge by chance because it can not. The chances of a protein molecule forming by chance are 1 in 10950. In practical terms that figure means "zero probability. There is no scientific mechanism that causes living things evolve. Evolutionists claim that mutations and natural selection does so but this is scientificaly impossible. Since mutations occur at random, they are almost always harmful. The changes brought about by mutations can only resemble those caused in human beings in Hiroshima, Nagasaki or Chernobyl: death, handicap and disease... Natural selection proposes that those individuals able to adapt to their surroundings survive, while those that are unable, die out. This unconscious form of elimination cannot bestow ever more complex organs or systems on living things.Evolutionists can never explain how the information sufficient to fill 1 million encyclopedia pages that is contained in DNA can be coded in the correct sequence by chance? Because can not. In the same way that it is impossible for someone wearing a blindfold to randomly print out a million pages of meaningful information, so it is impossible for unconscious and haphazard factors to arrange DNA.
Harun Yahya has a big intellectuel struggle not only against darwinism but also the ideologies that are based on darwinism, such as communism, fascism, racism. Harun Yahya also says and prooves that darwinism is tha cause of the world wars, slaughters, oppressions. More than 250 million people died in the world wars. The darwinist dictators were on duty and still are. I advice you to read the books of Harun Yahya and watch the interviews of him. And a note, if you visit the site of Harun Yahya, you can see the real photopraphs of him.

Craig AS said...

As a lapsed Christian and a humanist, I am more than aware of the arguments used by creationists (both Christian and Muslim). It embarrasses me that, once upon a time, through my own ignorance of Darwin's theory, I believed the sort of nonsense on display here. The quotes from the Bible or Koran that creationists constantly refer to as "proof" that the Koran predicted Big Bang theory, or "proof" that evolution is nonsense can only be interpreted as "proof" of anything with the benefit of thousands of years of hindsight and centuries of scientific effort. Were it not for the proofs provided by scientists there would be no knowledge at all for these scientific-illiterates to (retroactively) ascribed to scripture. If we had all just sat around nodding and reading aloud from the Koran, would somebody spontaneously have shouted "hey, maybe the doppler shift can show us that all the galaxies in the universe are moving away from each other, thereby proving that the universe expanded from a single point!" I find that highly unlikely.

Craig AS said...

Oh, and if you think that Hitler was an athiest, think again. He very much believed in God and the German people's divine destiny. Magical thinking like that leads to concentration camps and suicide bombers.

Anonymous said...

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I advise Harun Yahya'a Atlas of Creation to gain some insight about the so-called theory of evolution.

Anonymous said...

Craig AS...Hitler was not a religious person.He only used religion to get control over Christians. He had to show himself righteous in their eyes. He was a darwinist and very much impressed with the theory of evolution as the theory gave him the so-called scientific means and justifications to carry out his massacres. He said: Hitler said for example, “The state must ensure that only healthy children exist. The visibly sick and those carrying infectious diseases must be declared to be unfit.”Hitler sought to accelerate the supposed evolution of the German race with his killings.lond, blue-eyed young men and women whom he regarded as representatives of the German race were encouraged to have children together. In 1935, special breeding farms were established for this purpose.

Anonymous said...

Harun Yahya is an international hero as Time magazine told. First read his books, than write essay about him. He forward lots of people to believe Allah. Yes of course there is no difference between islam and science.

Craig AS said...

Strange how those people posting comments supportive of Harun Yahya do so anonymously...

Opinion is clearly divided over whether Hitler was an atheist, but in my defense, the argument:

Person X was an atheist,
Person X did bad things,
Therefore atheism is bad/wrong/dangerous

Is as cretinous as the idea that the Koran discusses DNA, or that there is "no difference" between Islam and Science. One is deference to the authority of ancient texts, the other is a way of testing our ideas about the universe and discovering the truth.

And the argument that I "don't know what I'm talking about" is not exactly a great line of defense either...

Anonymous said...

Ignorance is prevalent and the media loves to post ignorance and make the $$$ no matter the good science that defies it. Same o' same o' for hundreds of years.Politicians are dupes for these schemes as they get new voters for their own scams but threaten their own countries with violence and the overthrow of freedoms and even lives. Terrorism arrives under many disguises and like with Yahya, insanely so. Megalomaniacs are usually charismatic and people from all sorts of the economic spectrum find solace in them at first before tey discover they have lost their own minds..albeit too late.

mindo said...

Craig AS...People has the right to write comments anonymously since it is an option provided in the blog. Plus how could I know that Craig is your real name? You use a nick. Which is the same thing with anonymity..People here dont say that Islam and science has "no difference" Islam is a religion and Science is a collection of methods that we use to try to understand and comprehend Allah's creation. We try to understand the workings of the galaxies for instance, this is called science. What is being said is Islam actually supports science, as Allah commands Muslims to "think" to get closer to Him. You get it all wrong my friend as you are clearly misguided with the publications you follow. Try to read Mr Oktar's books and articles and even watch the videos. You dont loose anyting by doing so.

Craig AS said...

The level of debate here is depressing. As is the poor grammar on display. Science helps us to understand the Flying Spaghetti Monster's creation. Right. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

GlasgowAndy said...

"The evolutionists are not capable of bringing a intermediate form fossil. Every fossil evolutionists claimed as a "missing link" turned out to be a hoax"

Am i being too simplistic in pointing out that every fossil is an intermediate fossil. Every organism is constantly evolving.
We have the remnants of our past history within us today. Our ancestors were herbivous so we had a third set of molars. We call them wisdom teeth. They now serve no purpose and often lead to pain and infection. I we were designed, that's a pretty rubbish bit of creativity!!

Joe Hayhurst said...

GlasgowAndy: Don't forget the appendices which got infected and would have killed me and several of my friends if we'd been born a years earlier before appendectomies. Oh, and my tail-bone.

Thanks, Allah.

Garkbit said...

Surely we're missing the big issue here, which is why is this article illustrated with a picture of The Master ?

Craig AS said...

Garkbit: Nice catch ;-)

In terms of The Creator being an incompetent designer, how about the fact that the urethra (which carries waste products out of the body) passes through the prostate (which is highly prone to infection). Or how about the fact that you cannot reabsorb the water in your urine (which is 95% water) once it is in the bladder. Even if you're dying of thirst! You have to expel it from the bladder and drink it again (yuck). Why is this the case? Because humans evolved from animals that used urine to mark their territory.

Bix12 said...

Another twisted, malignant narcissist using a highly emotional subject...in this case, religion...to take horrible advantage of the weak-willed & soft-minded. Ah, humanity.

He reminds me of an extremist, frightwing Republican politician here in America.

Speaking of which, the article alludes to "American senators"--I'd like to know who these senators are. I would not be surprised if they were members of that sick bunch known as the K-Street fraternity.

Bix12 said...

Craig, you must surely know that engaging idiots in any kind of a debate automatically occupies a depressing level by the mere fact of it's (the "debates") existence.

There is no debate, not really--there is only the informed, reasoning individual butting heads with the superstitious, semi-illiterate ignoramus.

Again...ah, humanity. Sometimes I wonder if it's really such a "grand experiment", afterall. I suppose it's a grand experiment in the same sense that cancer is a grand experiment.

Anonymous said...

What in the world is a "Sanhedrin rabbi"? The Sanhedrin was a judicial institution that ceased to exist around 1800 years ago. Those guys have some impressive white beards, but I don't think they're 1800 years old!

Anonymous said...

What is most interesting about this story is that the left (including most readers and writers here) has adopted Islam as the Most Precious Other since 9/11. Attack the West? Welcome aboard, comrades! For the sake of the alliance, fellow travelers, don't ask what Muslims think about homosexuality or abortion.

Arthur said...

Creationists fall silent when confronted with the option to refuse any medical treatment and medicine whose developments are direct outcomes of evolutionary science.

That about says it all for me.

Josh Strike said...

I don't know if anybody looked closely at that map of the "turkish islamic union", but if that represents what we're hoping for from a "credible alternative to radical Islam" -- and if such a credible alternative is so difficult to find in "modern, secular" Turkey that we should need to turn to this man -- then we really are in a zero-sum war of civilizations already. A look at the map shows that "non-radical Islam" lays claim to:

- All of (Christian) Ethiopia
- All of the (Christian) Philippines
- 3/4ths of India
- Strangely enough, the Buddhist kingdom of Bhutan
- The city of Berlin
- Odessa and the Crimea
- All of Buddhist Mongolia...
(Interestingly, they seem to know enough not to screw with the Armenians =)

Well, best-case scenario that this is, I guess the West better get on with carrying out Islam's demands. This chance might not come again. The ordinary Muslim on the street is probably nowhere near as willing to bargain with the west as this Oktar fellow, and you know, the next deranged Islamist cult leader will likely be far less lenient with us.

Anonymous said...

Just one nit to pick: The article says Yahya has been interviewed by "American National Public Radio." But his own web site doesn't make this claim, and a thorough scan of our transcripts (I work for NPR) reveals no trace of him.

He does claim to have appeared on "American Public Television," but there is no broadcast entity by that name, and if you follow his link, it leads to what is clearly some local "cable access" show (i.e., the kind of thing shot in someone's basement that nobody watches.)

So maybe you've also been taken in by some of his grandiose claims.

Anonymous said...

I was waiting to read some "facts" that would undeniably make me re-think this mans claims. Instead I got a great degree of disturbing character flaws and things that as a Muslim I can NEVER agree with (disputing the primacy of Prophet Muhammad in Islam is a big indicator someone has fallen WAY WAY off).
I'm not sure if pointing out these things are included to illustrate the point of painting this man to be a monster, or if it was done to make Muslims particularly shy away from this man and his information. Anyone who would purposefully make such claims as the author of the piece illustrates would be (and rightfully so) marginalized in the Muslim community, and I don't see that being the case. How could he fool THAT many people? The Muslim Ummah consists of thousands upon thousands of scientists, phiolosphers, teachers, etc. and to be honest I would have come across something about this man by now.
I thank the author if they are being sincere with presenting this man as being a charlatan..however if this is just an attempt to discredit his information by discrediting him, in the end it will fail, and actually bring MORE people to his cause. I will continue to look into myself, and draw my own conclusions. THANKS.

Anonymous said...

Your article shows the level of intelligence and poor reporting put into this piece. There was not one single sentence about his ACTUAL WORK, or his authorship, just a vague reference to Dawkins and his comment about the lure. However even Dawkins could not comment on the content of the Atlas of Creation, except to point that a model Caddis Fly was used instead of a real life Caddis Fly. This in no refutes the content and argument of the Book. Why don't you read the Book, or any book for that matter, and make a critique of his work, rather than to get information that is false and incorrect. Harun Yahya, has been found innocent against every charge put forth against him. Every single thing he is involved in is documented extremely on his website, including the legal cases you mention. Very poor reporting from a so called "free-thinker". I think you aren't a free thinker, rather a poor journalist at best.

Anonymous said...

Quite frightening reading some of the comments here supporting Harun Yahya and his crackpot "theories".

I would direct any of the Kool Aiders here who actually agree with this lunatic, to read up on the Argument for Common decent, and have a little look at DNA encoding (which pretty much negates the "need" for transitional fossil evidence) , etc.. before dismissing Darwin's ToE (which is THE best possible explanation, of all the explanations (religious included) Human's have concocted in over 100,000 years of humanities existence) completely for some half-baked religious "explanation" which explains absolutely nothing.

I suppose the real question to ask Yahya (seeing as what he has to say about reality is so far from it, its scary) is why pray to a Jewish god...?

Aren't the Muslim's supposed to be against the Jews and all that they stand for, whilst ignoring the fact that his scriptures which he holds so dear, are in fact based on Yahweh....?

Anonymous said...

The the poster who thinks Harun Yahya readers are crackpot. The only thing your post shows is your internal bias and sickness. Isn't it supposed to be about freedom of expression? You can follow whatever you want to or believe in whatever you want to. First investigate the essence of matter and learn real science though before you make hypothetical conjectures about transitional fossils and the like. Peace

Anonymous said...

Poorly researched and written article. I just checked on the Harun Yahya website, read his bio, and he has everything posted w regards to all his legal cases, with original documentations from the court. It seems to me that this article is nothing but to slander this man's character. Try harder next time. Sad that this showed up on the Humanist page, I was an avid reader, and this isn't what "free thinkers" do.

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Ivanhoe0@hotmail.com said...

Harun Yahya has won such a great victory in destroying evolution that everyone now realizes that Yahya is the only true scientist on the planet!!!
Yeah right. Harun Yahya can continue to get his organization to put out books full of islamic idiocy, faked fossils and zero knowledge of evolution. It won't help Yahya's idiotic creationism. Evolution has too much evidence for it and Yahya only has ignorance and fake science.
We've won. Yahya has been defeated.

Anonymous said...

I read about him, and I read allegation against him if you try to understand the case you will find these are created against him to defame him so people who support this bloody capitalism have peace to take blood from poor peoples, and I want know how and why you visit Istanbul on our own expanives? I think you were paid to do this job buy the people who feel Islam is threat to them and people who believe and preach Islam are their target

Amjad said...

I read about him, and I read allegation against him if you try to understand the case you will find these are created against him to defame him so people who support this bloody capitalism have peace to take blood from poor peoples, and I want know how and why you visit Istanbul on our own expanives? I think you were paid to do this job buy the people who feel Islam is threat to them and people who believe and preach Islam are their target

Abdullah Korkmaz said...

why this magazine use these wrong? why do they not use any scientific answer to Harun Yahya? physiological war is very strong in the world... and masonic powers use this method in the all world. Darwinian dictatorship is on all world. only answer to scientific evidences!

Craig AS said...

So now "science" is part of a dictatorial Darwinian Masonic conspiracy to destroy Islam? Holy crap. If ever there was evidence that religion puts silly ideas into people's minds and makes them sound (or be) stupid, there you have it.

ipek said...

adnan oktar(harun yahya) has 7 different hospital reports which states that he's suffering from paranoid schizophrenia.
is there really anything else to discuss?

Dawud Israel said...

This is scary stuff for Muslims to read...but the cults have happened before in the history of Islam. Very saddening to hear.

One thing about Evolution: Ziauddin Sardar, has commented that actually Muslims had the idea and notion of evolution before Darwin. You have to look it up but I remember he wrote about this.

It was not seen as being in contradiction with Islam- because it was understood more as a 'mechanism' or 'how' Allah brought about the creation.

Craig AS said...

Yeah, yeah... and the Koran described the Big Bang, and the structure of DNA...

I'm afraid that's just over-imaginative re-interpretation of scripture with a big dollop of Hindsight (see my very first comment above). I'm sick of hearing this stuff. Science does the hard work, God gets the credit. T'was ever the way.

Anonymous said...

To me, the writer and huminist et al are so afraid of Harun Yahya. Allegation presented in the articles are very old. Most of them proven false. The author wrote this article in evolutinist way just to deceive people. He did not mention about the ongoing trial, which not related to sex, character. This case is related ot the ideological battle between the powerful evolutnist system and harun Yahya.

One of the old aged ploys to paint the person to deviate from the point of discussion. Evolutnists themselves feel proud about their rationalism. In the is article, this is totally missing. Shame on huminists.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the lies Written by Hilal Arda....(Sex, flies and videotape: the secret lives of Harun Yahya)

SOme corrections:

1. As you wrote :" an impressive publishing empire that boasts more than 60 websites dedicated to his writings"
Correction: There are around 150 websites
Why do you reduce the number of websites to 60 eventhough you are aware it is around 150?

2. "It provides documentary films and audio recordings in fifteen languages, including Turkish, English, Russian, Amharic and Arabic"

Correction: Not 15 languages, his works have been translated to 54 languages
http://www.byvirtueofharunyahya.com/index.php
why do you reduce the number of languages to 15?

3. "claims to sell more than half a million books a year, including the infamous 850-page, fully illustrated Atlas of Creation, which was sent free in two volumes to dozens of universities, libraries and prominent scientists (including Richard Dawkins) across the world"

correction: you yourself is proving Atlas of Creation is a FAMOUS BOOK by your statement "INFAMOUS ATLAS OF CREATION" (learn to lie well!!!)

JAMSHED MOIDU said...

Regarding the lies Written by Hilal Arda....(Sex, flies and videotape: the secret lives of Harun Yahya)

SOme corrections:

1. As you wrote :" an impressive publishing empire that boasts more than 60 websites dedicated to his writings"
Correction: There are around 150 websites
Why do you reduce the number of websites to 60 eventhough you are aware it is around 150?

2. "It provides documentary films and audio recordings in fifteen languages, including Turkish, English, Russian, Amharic and Arabic"

Correction: Not 15 languages, his works have been translated to 54 languages
http://www.byvirtueofharunyahya.com/index.php
why do you reduce the number of languages to 15?

3. "claims to sell more than half a million books a year, including the infamous 850-page, fully illustrated Atlas of Creation, which was sent free in two volumes to dozens of universities, libraries and prominent scientists (including Richard Dawkins) across the world"

correction: you yourself is proving Atlas of Creation is a FAMOUS BOOK by your statement "INFAMOUS ATLAS OF CREATION" (learn to lie well!!!)

Zora said...

Note that Edip Yuksel, frequently quoted in the article, is himself a cultist. He was a member of Rashad Khalifa's sect, United Submitters International, broke with them, and is now setting himself up as a proponent of "Islamic reform". I ran into him trying to combat his relentless self-promotion in his Wikipedia article (I left WP and his article is now a puff piece praising Edip). He is just as nuts as Harun Yahya.

Rashad Khalifa, BTW, declared himself a messenger of God. He was murdered, possibly by assassins from yet another Islamic sect. (The Rashad Khalifa Wikipedia article also seems to have been captured by sect members. They play down his conviction for sexual assault, for instance.)

I should add that every religion seems to have an undergrowth of bizarre sects. Nothing peculiar to Islam.

JAMSHED MOIDU said...

Hey Halil Ardra....

As you wrote

a.. 'As the American journalist Nathan Schneider argued, to judge Yahya’s message on its scientific content alone misses the point: “its power, for those who are not scientifically literate, lies in its vision of redemption.”

So i think you and Mr. Nathan is sooooo much ''LITERATE IN SCIENCE'', so can you please tell him to debunk Harun yahya's Atlas point by points!!!

b. ""During this period he was confined to a prison clinic, and then Bakirkoy Mental Hospital, where he was diagnosed with an obsessive-compulsive personality disorder and schizophrenia""

Hey Halil you have to learn to lie well!!!!

1. How can A schizophrenic and OCD patient

write these many books? (EVEN IF YOU CLAIM THAT THESE BOOKS WHERE WRIITEN BY OTHERS--THen how is it possible for a MENTALLY ILL patient to make others to right fo him? EVEN IN NORMAL CONDITION ITS VERY DIFFICULT--Can you and your friends wite atleast 25 books to your master RICHARD DAWKINS and one BOOK FOR ME!!!@#$)

- have these many influential friends?
-can arrange meetings and discussions?
-Can make decisions, calculations, planning,foreseeing events logically.....
-can challenge scientist for discussions

YOOOO...Halil Arda
WHEN YOU LIE-- ""LIE SCIENTIFICALLY""

Craig AS said...

Jamshed, OBSESSIVE Compulsive Disorder makes you um... "obsessive" and "compulsive", while schizophrenia can make you obsessive and manic. These are actually VERY USEFUL traits to have if you want to write loads of books!

THINK before you POST.

JAMSHED MOIDU said...

Yooo Craig..

From which Medical books you got these points...is it from new edition of Harrisons Principles and Practice of Internal Medicine or From Davidsons Clinical Medicine......

You said...""These are actually VERY USEFUL traits to have if you want to write loads of books!""

Then you should go to all those MENTAL HOSPITAL ask all those mentally ill patients to write LOADS AND LOADS OF BOOKS about Theory of evolution by making easy tasks for those people like you....


Think FIVE TIMES before you post...



And for HAlil Arda..

From your Article you are proving that harun yahya is man with SUPER INTELLINGENT.........

In your Article you wrote...

""How did such a man acquire the standing, and the financial resources, to be a player in global debates about the origins of life and the future of relations between Islam and the West?""

How did Richard DAwkins acquire the atanding and the finalacial resource?...Answer is simple..by selling CAPS, T SHIRT with RD logos and from DONAToINS RECEIVED.

So Harunyahya gets May be getting MOney by Donation , From his books.. What is so great about your questions.

Again in your nauseating article you lied...
"" “Henceforth, he reduced the five daily prayers to three, ""

See HArun yahya's Book..http://www.harunyahya.com/books/faith/al_sunnah/al_sunnah07.php

where he clearly says number of times of prayer is 5..

yoooo Halil Arda I think you did't receive much training from EVOLUTIONARY CIRCLE to "LIE LOGICALLY"

Anonymous said...

Reading the braindead rants of Yahya stooges like JAMSHED MOIDU is hilarious. Keep it up!

Hassan said...

Excellent article - thanks!

JAMSHED MOIDU said...

Halil......

Before you waste your flight ticket again i reccomend you to visit http://psychologicalwarfaremethods.com/

Anonymous said...

Great investigative report.
We need more 21st Century George Jacob Holyoakes aroung

JAMSHED MOIDU said...

Halil...
before you waste your flight ticket again visit http://psychologicalwarfaremethods.com

Craig AS said...

Jamshed,

If all this criticism of the abuse of science and promotion of outright pseudoscience in the name of "Islam" (or a sect of it) is simply a "plot" against Allah and will "be neutralized by Allah" who is "the best of plotters" as that link suggests, then you don't have anything to fear from open discussion of these (stupid) ideas, do you?

Now stop posting your zealous sh*t here. Wierdo.

Anonymous said...

Anyone who uses a mobile phone today, or watch tv, has no option but to acknowledge that science has brought us these modern technologies, based on many many years of logical reasoning, rational thinking, methodical investigation, experiments and peer reviewed documentation that anyone is free to challange (without receiving the death penalty or having their hands chopped off). Based on the very same body of scientific knowledge, science also says that your fantasy superstitious bronze age rubbish about this or that god is very very unlikely to have any truth to it. So, next time your mobile phone rings, just ignore it, cause it can't be true that it exists - after all, your phone is a result of scientific nonsense, right? ;) Ignorant superstitious fools.

Anonymous said...

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Be cool

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Tahseen Siddiqua said...

I just came across a book “Extraterrestrial Intelligence: Amazing New Insights from Qur’an...” It quotes extensively from Qur’an to prove in an extremely amazing and convincing idiom that biological evolution isn’t at all at variance with the Qur’an. It is available online at HarperCollins' website Authonomy: http://www.authonomy.com/ViewBook.aspx?bookid=11309

Jacqueline said...

Anonymous said...
"Your article shows the level of intelligence and poor reporting put into this piece."


The level of intelligence in works purported to be by Adnan Oktar is woefully low.



"There was not one single sentence about his ACTUAL WORK, or his authorship"

Oktar's so called work is either plagiarised from science textbooks, or ghost written by his lackeys. Oktar couldn't write a book on evolution if he tried. He knows nothing of biology, and lots about interior design!

"...just a vague reference to Dawkins and his comment about the lure. However even Dawkins could not comment on the content of the Atlas of Creation, except to point that a model Caddis Fly was used instead of a real life Caddis Fly. This in no refutes the content and argument of the Book."

Another lie. Dawkins certainly comments on the book. He shows that Oktar's lackeys can't distinguish between one species and another. Not surprizing for folks that have never studied biology in any of its forms.



"Why don't you read the Book, or any book for that matter, and make a critique of his work, rather than to get information that is false and incorrect."

The falsity and incorrectness all stem from Oktar's lackeys and their lack of scientific training. The book is clear evidence of this.


"Harun Yahya, has been found innocent against every charge put forth against him."

Which is why he is currently in prison.


"Every single thing he is involved in is documented extremely on his website, including the legal cases you mention."

'Documented extremely'. Got that right. Documented in an extremely biased way to portray your lazy wannabe mahdi as a perfect gentleman who has been framed by the Illuminati. But the reality is that Oktar is a petty criminal that has to blackmail women into bed with him.


"Very poor reporting from a so called "free-thinker". I think you aren't a free thinker, rather a poor journalist at best."

The poor reporting all comes from Oktar and his cronies. Who hate free thinking folk so much they formed a cult to inflict their crappy fantasy onto the world.
Jamshed, at least have the courtesy to put your name to your posts instead of going anonymously to cover up the fact that Oktar has only one obsessive fan.

Admin said...

http://psychologicalwarfaremethods.com/

Sincere people understand the plain truth! :-)

Craig AS said...

"Admin", Please see my earlier comment regarding this stupid website you keep promoting.

ps - clever choice of username. It makes people think your view holds more weight than others. Very manipulative, methinks.

James said...

Does it smell funny in here..... Do I sense jealousy by the author of this article, and the cronies that support this piece..... Oktar is kicking ass all over the planet..... no matter how much you slander his name, his followers grow every day.... His works speak for themselves... Truth stands clear from Falsehood! New Humanist you guys are funny...... nice try, it makes for good entertainment!!

Craig AS said...

Shucks, James. You got us fair and square there! We're all just JEALOUS. I guess we all better abandon our rationalist worldview and start believing that a crazed sixth-century warmonger who thought he could talk to a non-existant sky-bully, and the corrupt modern mullahs like Harun who re-interpret his "teachings" for their own benefit and enrighment are right after all ;-)

Syrd Aslam said...

I congratulate Halil Arda for his excellent article. It is a masterpiece of investigative journalism.

Syed Aslam

Silentside said...

New Humanist seems to be in trouble probably due to the extraordinary, real and scientific evidence submitted by Mr. Adnan Oktar to Darwinism. Indeed, due to this trouble the magazine made a very interesting comment and claimed that Mr. Oktar’s claims are met with lampoon in the West. Yet the editorial board in question very well knows that Mr. Oktar provides precise and concrete evidence against Darwinism which is a theory that thoroughly lacks any evidence. Indeed for this very reason he is the one Creationist author whose views are most respected all around the world. Readers worldwide enjoy his books which are also downloaded in ample amounts on the Internet.

European Darwinist publications, France being the foremost, consider Mr. Oktar’s works as a great threat against the theory of evolution and comment on the impact of Atlas of Creation upon Europe with expressions of despair. (For detailed information please see: http://darwinistpanicinfrance.com/index.php) This is no doubt the reason why Atlas of Creation was banned from the curriculum by the European Council. Aware of the profound effect of Atlas of Creation upon pupils, Darwinist centers strove to hinder the access of this precious work into schools. Consequently the situation is far more different from how it is depicted by New Humanist. The major reason of the Darwinist panic taking place in the world today is the works of Mr. Oktar which have great worldwide impact. New Humanist is totally aware of it.

Silentside said...

European Darwinist publications, France being the foremost, consider Mr. Oktar’s works as a great threat against the theory of evolution and comment on the impact of Atlas of Creation upon Europe with expressions of despair. (For detailed information please see: http://darwinistpanicinfrance.com/index.php) This is no doubt the reason why Atlas of Creation was banned from the curriculum by the European Council. Aware of the profound effect of Atlas of Creation upon pupils, Darwinist centers strove to hinder the access of this precious work into schools.

Craig AS said...

More conspiracy theories...

Silentside, the reason the Atlas of Creation was banned from the curriculum by the European Council is that it is, scientifically, a load of shit, and therefore should not be taught as science to our children. Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no "science" in Oktar's jumble of second-hand factoids and misrepresentations of fact.

Anonymous said...

Craig As.
why do you like the word sh*t soo much?

Craig AS said...

Anonymous,

I've used that word twice in a lengthy thread during which I've made - what? - 12 comments! That's not excessive use for what, to me, seems an adequate descriptor of creationist drivel.

Later ;-)

Silentside said...

@Craig,
When something is published, the apt way of responding to it is 'intellectually'. When Harun Yahya demolished Darwinism and Materialism, he did it in a scholarly manner. He writes books, articles and prepares documentary films and websites to present his views. So, if anybody wants to respond to Harun Yahya, that is to be done intellectually.
But, to date, we never find a scholarly work refuting Yahya's works. All we have are some rantings, slanders and accusations. This is NOT democratic. Anyone who looks at these scenarios can clearly see this. And that is the reason Yahya's books and movies are spreading all over the world. The number of websites he own is increasing by the day and they're disseminating all his materials. Those who espouse the theory of evolution are at a complete dead end now, because Yahya tears them down intellectually from their very foundations.

This article and many other slanders are a manifestation of Yahya's success in his mission.

Regards.

NB: For those people who are curious about all the slanders that come up against Harun Yahya, see these websites for clarifications. All those allegations are clarified with documentation.

http://www.psychologicalwarfaremethods.com/
[ A website documenting the psychological warfare tactics employed against Mr.Oktar ]

http://www.replytowikipedia.com/
[Response to some of the allegations against Mr.Oktar on Wikipedia]

Craig AS said...

Silentside,

You complain that Oktar's treatment is not "democratic" (by the way, democracy is a political ideology, nothing to do with science. In science, even if you are a minority of one, the truth is still the truth. Oktar's problem is that his is a minority "scientific" opinion, but its still patently wrong) and yet you complain about his treatment on Wikipedia, which is by far and away the greatest advancement in the democratisation of knowledge the world has ever seen. Only fascists like those who run Conservapedia, and those who truly have no scientific legs to stand on, have a problem with WP.

I'm totally bored with this thread now. I've been responding to supporters of Oktar's ignorant creationist drivel (most of which is stolen from books written by Jehovah's Witnesses anyway), by saying the same things over and over again, for months now and therefore I have to announce that I'll no longer by watching this thread. So don't expect any more responses from me.

Bye.

Tata said...

@Silentside
Thank you for the links, silentside :)
I read some of Harun Yahya's books and was fascinated by his writings.
Then I found disturbing writings about him in wikipedia which led me to this article.
At least, the reader of this article will have something to compare to and can follow up to the responds on Harun Yahya's side.

Anonymous said...

Its always been the attempt of Islamic opponents to condemn disqualify disprove and render stupid and baseless arguments when they are are out reason logic example and philosophy... its not something new to the Muslim world... its the common history of yahud and nasaras... as quran says that they can never be true friends of Muslims....
whenever non Muslim communities observe the development of Islam by leaps and bounds, they become scared and plan cunningly to betray the believers and to creat ambiguity for the new followers...because doubt is the tool of satan to push a beliver from the cliff of faith to the depths of a Hell....
thats the bottom line of unbelievers ...

Anonymous said...

Harun Yahya plays upon those who lack a proper education in science. It is a great shame that he has plenty of foolish Islamic followers. In the past Islam was a religion that valued science and discovery, especially in Moorish Spain; nowadays it has been hijacked by authoritarian idiots that embrace the stupidest supernaturalism and ignorance of their religion. Muslim followers of Adnan Oktar, you follow a criminal. Wise up and read some real science.

Krishnan Chakrabarty

Anonymous said...

this article showed only one thing... FRUSTRATED EVOTIONALISTS... If you have answer than come with evidence not do cheap and childish activity.. Discuss on the topic not on the person... You people claims ''rationalism'' than where is genuinity? Why are not accepting truth if it is against your falls and dorge notion? Its already known fact not Yahya but you people are funded. Shame...Shame HOODWINKERS

Anonymous said...

You may going to unmask anyone in the world but till now you are not given how evolution brought a lady.You will not unmask the truth till you dont accept or untill you die, but the real will happen and come true in front of all unbelivers.(Harun yahya say the truth only to unbelivers) You people decorating your handicraft Idols you made by yourself of clay,granite,metal,gold,cement,plastic,fibre,wood, will put you and your eyes stunt that is end,that day is very close to you. A monky you show to the world only a male.no female monkeys stand up from monky to men shown in that line of darwin.with whom the male monky joint to give birth to a child, why darwin dont disclose.I amaze why these days the monkeys are not becoming as you and me and like our ladies.? so we can give anywhere a refugee status.
Try not to misguide the people writing all bogus in the books getting funds out of burglary assotiations.